OA: So what kind of label are you looking for?
D: The one.
K: I think the record business is a weird place right now, so mostly majors.
J: Stop talking about Clear Channels and Warner!

OA: Universal? No, how do you explain this, you know, Le Tigre goes Universal?
J: It's an outrage!

OA: But how do you explain that in the nineties people survived having indie labels, and now..
J: We survive having no label! And having no label is the best. We can do what ever the fuck we want! We are supporting each other, we are supporting ourselves. So it's good. Some people has sent offers, but it has been like...we are from the anti-folk scene and it's like really...it's kind of a conflict. Being from the anti-folk scene in New York and the signing to a major label, it's really strange. So there's a lot of things to think about. It would have been nice to have money, but none of us here is in it for the money. It's a strange balance.
K: I guess it is the freedom to do creative things, without having to have a day job that depresses you and makes you feel like you...
J:...wanna die!
D: Yeah, I would love that.
J: Yes, and you have proven it by having a shitty day job!
K: But what if you just had all this free time to just do music?
J: That's what we have right now. We have all the free time we want to do free music. I live in Brooklyn and I don't have to have a job to pay rent, cause it's so cheap, cause I live in the ghetto. Which, Christen, you are moving there soon, to New York. Which is a sister city of Rotterdam.
K: And Oslo.

OA: Yes, we saw your show, it was really nice. In this very small venue.
K: Yeah, that was a weird night. I remember the intestines. It was the bloodiest shows I ever did. Cause I asked for meat, and they brought meat, intestines and blood. So I had a bucket of blood! And they dipped all the meat and the intestines in the blood so it was really dripping...and that is when I sent my brother the photographs to the show. Hey, check out my new show! And I was covered in intestines and blood. And he said: Ever heard about salmonella? And I thought oohh, yeah, right...shit. So I backed of, that was kind of the most extreme and I got kind of like not doing it as much.

OA: Now it's plastic heart?
K: Yeah, rubber heart. So you can carry it with you...

Now, Elle Bandita is entering the room and reminding the band that they have to clear the stage, cause the crew wants to go home. Julia sings a bit of L7 and pleads her love for Elle Bandita.

OA: So is there an instrument you don't play? I could see you were reading some tabs...
K: Well, my banjo doesn't get tuned in right away, the most stupidest banjo, fuck that banjo, I should trash it..

OA: Yes, why didn’t you pick the mandolin?
K: I like the banjo. I think it's the sound of it. The tanginess of it. The cliché of it. And I also liked it because it wasn't a guitar. When I got it everyone played guitar, and that was an instrument that wasn't a guitar.

OA: When did you move to Berlin?
K: Four years ago.

OA: And why?
K: Escaping reality and I had friends there. And it was just easy to stay. It's easy to live there. I was looking for a home. I knew I wanted to go somewhere and, ok, this feels like home more that anywhere else so I stayed longer. And then longer, and then longer, and then I was there.

OA: Are you tired of Berlin?
K: I didn't totally get in to German culture. I didn't learn German very well, and ended up just hanging out with people from Canada and England and America. And people just ended up hanging out with ex-patriots. And there is some really good things happening there. But it just feels secluded to a curtain English speaking zone inside a foreign speaking country. It's not gonna change if I stay, so I need...I think I should just move...
J: To New York!
K:...to New York.

OA: Why New York, in all places?
K: I've got friends there and my brother lives there. He's having a baby.
J: And I live there and Dan lives there.

OA: So life is catching up with you?
K: Yeah, in a way. But it's gonna be expensive there, so I don't know how to figure that out.
J: It's not that bad! You pay 250, yes. So To live in Brooklyn for 250 or in Berlin. You just have to live in the ghetto.
K: Yeah, I can hang.... When I first moved here, and I was feeling really new and exciting and I got a lot of inspiration just for leaving my country...my country...how patriotic is that! That whole fucking country sucks! But it's also that now I feel I'm going in circles more and more, and it's good and I enjoy it, but I think going back to the states is going to be a culture shock now. And I think culture shocks is....for me it's very inspiring and you feel you don't know where you are.
J: Do you really believe in inspiration?
K: Perspiration 90%. Inspiration 10%. I know how it feels like to be productive. Yeah, I believe in inspiration. I believe in times when your brain is open for ideas and things are coming together. I know ...
J: But haven't you just worked through the times when the brain is not into ideas? Time is time. And if you just keep making it there is no such thing as inspiration, it's more like discipline.
K: That is so.....
J: It's true though. Discipline is such an important part. I think it's made into this magical, mystical thing, but really...if you just keep on making music and you make music all the time and makes yourself make music, there is no such thing as inspiration. And there is just discipline. And out of discipline have a million of paintings or a crillion songs there comes a song you really like.
K: It's true, but I get a lot from the people I work with and people I hang out with. That is inspiring! In Berlin when I was first meeting everybody it was super. Things were flying for me. Whoaw, this is a crazy new way of looking at things. And it's like I still love working with all the people I work with. But in a way...I don't know...maybe I'm just destroying myself.

OA: What about moving to the West Coast?
J: No!!! Don't do that!!
K: West Coast of America, the West Coast of Germany? No, I have already lived on the West Coast. I have already lived in San Francisco. For five years. So I know the way. Yeah, I know the West Coast, I wanna live in New York! San Francisco is a cool city, but...

We get interrupted again from the crew that really wants to get the stage cleaned, so they can get home after a long and great night at the Water Front, right next to one of these millions of canals that is in Rotterdam. First we make Julia and Kevin to make us a jingle, which contains a lot of action and a lot of ovaries and a lot of bullshit!